I've been working on the Interversal Revolution for a while, but a combination of distractions, boredom and writer's block has made continuing it very difficult. Recently, it occurred to me - why am I the only one continuing it?
My original intention was for the Revolution to be a major story arc, comparable to GC's Chaos Crisis or ET's Shattering. But for this to be IH's big story arc, shouldn't IH write it? I don't have the knowledge or expertise to do this whole thing on my own. I need help.
What I was wondering was, could you pitch in and help make this a really major event, enough to noticeably dent the multiverse? Some stories would help, as well as having a lot of universes getting involved or bashed about. Additionally, I could use advising on what would be best for InterVersal Control and Aeolipile World, which I'm editing so they fit my plans for the revolution? Look, having a proper story arc would be really good for the wiki, and I can't pull the whole thing together solo. Can I please have assistance here?
Cool. Now we just need to think of the most evil and imperialisic empire in history to vastly overpower to create an Interversal Empire (the Third Reich comes to mind, but I think we could come up with something more original)!
By the way, I've thought of a cool idea for covertly controlling other universes: memetics. Memetics is a theory for how ideas and ideologies spread throughout a population, and it's thought that 'memetic engineering' (akin to genetic engineering) could be used as a form of covert/subliminal, super-advanced, targeted propaganda to control populations (in non-fiction / in fiction).
An evil multi-universal memetic empire sounds... interesting. Definitely unique.
And yes, odds are there was a power at some point in history more evil than the Third Reich. Never underestimate the human capacity for total evil. That being said, I think a super-op Third Reich could work very well for what I have in mind. Communist Russia, the British Commonwealth (reworked a bit, obviously) ,the Borgias, Mao Zedong's China and Genghis Khan's Mongol Empire come to mind as well.
I'd be careful about using nations such as the Soviet Union, as turning them into a true 'Evil Empire' risks playing on stereotypes created by the West during the Cold War (when, in fact, both sides did some pretty atrocious things during this time). When you say British Commonwealth, I assume you mean Cromwell's short-lived English Republic (which banned Christmas), rather than the modern British Commonwealth of Nations (with organisations such as the Commonwealth Human Rights Initiative), Mao Zedong was an anti-imperialist (probably a non-starter), while Genghis Khan was probably the most imperialistic person ever to have lived (he believed it was his divine destiny to be the ultimate ruler of the whole world).
The Borgias could be a pretty cool one. The Vatican was pretty influential over Europe many times in history, and I've often wondered about the complete corruption of the Church resulting in the creation of a 'Papal Empire' (such an event could even be linked to the Rapture mythology of the Devil creating a 'trinity of evil' and so on). It reminds me of Northern Lights by Philip Pullman, in which the world is dominated by an evil Magisterium. Apart from the Borgias, such an outcome might also be achieved through Catholic Spain and the Habsburgs (what with its conquistadores).
You're right, Soviet Russia does run that risk, but they weren't exactly the most amiable nation in the world. And by British Commonwealth, I mean the one that all but ruled the world during the 1800s, during the Pax Britannica. They weren't exactly pure evil, but they were quite assured of their own superiority and believed they deserved to rule the world.
With a bit of tweaking, the Brits could work very well. No offence to the present-day British, of course. I think Britain's an awesome nation, but they've got a fairly bloody histry. Of course, the same can be said of pretty much all the major European colonial powers at the time…
Okay, maybe I don't know that much about Mao Zedong, but I definitely agree that Genghis Khan could work very well. I mean, it's not much of a leap from "divine right to rule the world" to "divine right to rule the worlds".
And I too find the evil Vatican option really cool. I loved The Golden Compass, awesome book!
During the 19th century, they were usually known as the British Empire, not the British Commonwealth, hence my confusion. The British Empire is another nation to be careful about when it comes to stereotypes because, although, like you said, it was responsible for doing many bad things typical of the Western powers at the time, it was also shunned by both the United States and mainland Europe at several points in history, hence its generally bad reputation.
I wouldn't say the British Empire believed it deserved to rule the world. Unlike France and Spain before it, the British Empire was an economic empire, with only 92,000 soldiers during 1817 (compared with 101,000 in 2011); most of its expansion, especially during the 19th century, was by private individuals, not the army or the government. The British Empire developed the 'nightwatchman state' (as little government interference as possible).
"[The idea of liberty] is perhaps the most important because it remains the most distinctive feature of the Empire, the thing that sets it apart from its continental European rivals. I do not mean to claim that all British Imperialists were liberals: some were very far from it. But what is striking about the history of the Empire is that whenever the British were behaving despotically, there was almost always a liberal critique of that behaviour from within British society." - Niall Ferguson
"I discovered that the British Empire had certain ideals with which I had fallen in love. One of those ideals is that every subject of the British Empire has the freest scope possible for his energies and efforts and whatever he thinks is due to his conscience... I have said that government is best which governs least, and I have found it possible for me to be governed least under the British Empire. Hence my loyalty to the British Empire." - Mahatma Gandhi, 1915 (when he was still a loyalist)
For its size, and for a European power, the British Empire was relatively benign. In my opinion, France or Spain (or definitely the Mongols under Genghis Khan) would be much better candidates for an evil empire - the British Empire would just have to be changed too much.
I wrote all that because I studied the British Empire at great length at one time, and think that many people are unfairly prejudiced against it, compared with other superpowers. Personally, I'd go for either Genghis Khan or the Borgias.
You're probably right. My apologies to Britain. I believe that policy of near-anarchy was what was known as laissez-vous, right?
Well, the Third Reich is too generic, Communist Russia has too many propaganda-induced pitfalls and Maoist China wouldn't work unless significantly altered. That narrows it down to Genghis Khan, the Borgias and one of the other maritime empires during the Age of Sail.
OK, my favourite idea so far is an evil Borgia-controlled Vatican world power. I mean, that would just be so fun to use! The Pope would essentially be a despotic emperor, the Vatican Empire would rule the Earth and many of it's omniversal neighbours and the Borgia dynasty would be the most powerful family in history. Not to mention that with religious fanaticism, extreme censorship and something like a century of rulership behind them on the side of the Borgias, the situation would really kinda suck for everyone. Which makes it perfect for the Interversal Empire.
Genghis Khan is awesome, but a Mongol superpower has kind of been done already. A European maritime empire could've conceivably forged a despotic global empire, and from there a space empire and finally a multiversal one. However, I'm kinda leaning towards the Vatican Empire here. What do you think?
I'm with you. Not only would it most definitely be fun, but it's also very original; though Northern Lights/Golden Compass had something similar, it wasn't really an alternate history, but just a fantasy setting. The Church also has a very strong system of hierarchy which would help with the establishment of an empire. Not only that, but it goes very well with the 'memetics' idea via indoctrination and ideologies. It's not a big leap to imagine such a Papal Empire sending out
conquistadores missionaries to conquer convert other verses. Also, the Papacy has experience in governing territory.
Thank you. But first, is there anything you want me to work on in respect to the new verse?
...I'll get back to you on that, I guess.
What do you think?